This is why Chick-fil-A sucks

19 Jul

I’ve been reading a lot lately about Chick-fil-A. The news of their contributions to anti-gay organizations first came to my attention last year when Equality Matters researched some of their contributions and published them. Here is what they found:

WinShape Is Chick-Fil-A’s Charitable Arm. The WinShape Foundation is Chick-fil-A’s charitable arm, created by Chick-fil-A founder and chairman S. Truett Cathy in 1984. WinShape has received a substantial amount of funding from Chick-fil-A: in 2009 alone, WinShape received $7,814,788 from Chick-fil-A Inc. [Winshape 2009 Publicly Available IRS 990 Form via Foundation Center, accessed10/28/11] 

WinShape Gave Over $1.7 Million To Anti-Gay Groups. In 2009 alone, WinShape donated $1,733,699 to multiple anti-gay groups:

  • Marriage & Family Legacy Fund: $994,199
  • Fellowship Of Christian Athletes: $480,000
  • National Christian Foundation: $240,000
  • Focus On The Family: $12,500
  • Eagle Forum: $5,000
  • Exodus International: $1,000
  • Family Research Council: $1,000

[Winshape 2009 Publicly Available IRS 990 Form via Foundation Center, accessed 10/28/11]

This all came out in November of last year. In the time since, I’ve seen several posts on Facebook urging people to boycott the company as it continued to grow. Then last week, Chick-fil-A CEO, Dan Cathy responded to a question about the company’s anti-gay stances: “We’re guilty as charged.” In the same interview, Cathy said: “We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”

Cathy then reiterated that stance on The Ken Coleman Show, as Jeremy Hooper pointed out:

“I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say ‘we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage’ and I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about,”

While contributing to organizations that align with your beliefs is indeed the right of any person or corporation, it is also the right of citizens to research the work of the organizations you contribute to and make their shopping choices accordingly.

Let’s take a look at how you are supporting anit-gay bigotry around the globe when you buy some waffle fries (or anything else at Chick-fil-A):

Marriage & Family Legacy Fund: Founded by Exodus North America’s Alan Chambers who has admitted to anti-gay housing discrimination: “As a property owner of Orlando, I wouldn’t rent to someone who is gay…” He has also implied a connection between gay people and pedophiles with no evidence whatsoever: “I believe the gay community is a good group of people but with groups like NAMBLA [a pedophile group] riding on their coattails.”

Exodus International: Exodus International Board Member John Schmierer began his trips to Uganda in 2009, preaching alongside Nazi revisionist Scott Lively, spreading hatred of gay people to the people and leaders of the country. This directly led to their legislation requiring the execution of some gay people.

In Schmierer’s future trips to Uganda, he would whip up anti-gay furor with lies linking homosexuality to child abuse, calling for mandatory “conversion therapy” for homosexuals and any other number of falsehoods he could come up with.

Fellowship of Christian Athletes: The FCA is decidedly anti-gay and discriminates against gay people from participating. Their website even goes on about “saving” people from being gay. Danny Burns, the National College Conference of the FCA spoke of people being “freed from homosexuality” at the 2011 annual conference.

Focus on the Family: Founded by James Dobson, FotF has been at the front of most anti-gay movements the US has seen since it’s founding. They have supported and funded “Ex-Gay” organizations for years and one of their co-founders (George Alan Rekers) was actually found bringing a gay sex worker on vacation with him. These same organizations have been one of the primary causes of suicide among young gay people forced to go through this “therapy.” Dobson believes gay people will destroy the earth:

“Homosexuals are not monogamous. They want to destroy the institution of marriage. It will destroy marriage. It will destroy the Earth.”

Dobson additionally equates homosexuality and sex with animals quite clearly in the video here.

Family Research Council: Not sure where to start. Let’s start with a Tony Perkins quote:

“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

There are literally dozens of other moments where FRC and Focus on the Family link homosexuality and pedophilia with zero reputable evidence.

In 2010, The Congress was considering a public condemnation of Uganda’s “Kill the Gays Bill” which would put gay people on trial with a possible death sentence as punishment for homosexuality. Family Research Council spent $25,000 lobbying Congress to not disapprove of this bill.

FRC and FotF have also fought hard against anti-gay adoption laws, so it can safely be said that they would rather see children spend their whole lives in a foster care system than find a forever home.

I posted the following meme on Facebook today in the hopes of enlightening people to where their money might be going when they pick up their chicken and waffle fries at Chick-fil-A.

Not that I should be, but I was honestly surprised by the anti-gay response on Facebook. People who refused to equate “Christian” organizations with anything anti-gay. The biggest leap of course was to people thinking they were supporting the murder of gay people. It’s a tough thing to think about, but the truth is that homosexuality is still criminalized in 77 countries. And the death penalty is among the possible punishments in at least 7 of those countries.

The Family Research Council is supportive of a new law proposed in Uganda which would also add a death penalty for those suspected of being gay. Chick-fil-A supports the work of the Family Research Council.

Plain and simple, this is where your money is going when you buy something at Chick-fil-A. Of course not every person who works there or owns a franchise is anti-gay. That’s not at all what we are saying. But when you purchase something there, your money goes to the corporation, which then uses that money to invest in bigoted, anti-gay, anti-family organizations.

UPDATE:

Yesterday late afternoon, after the image above had been shared on Facebook more than 9,000 times, I received notice that the image violated their “Rights & Responsibilities” and they censored and yanked it from every person’s profile who’d shared it. I assumed it was because I’d used Chick-fil-A’s logo. Apparently that wasn’t the case because upon recreating the image with a different non-trademarked font, it too was pulled and my account temporarily suspended. A friend at Facebook is currently looking into it.

Chick-fil-A has responded via Facebook message to the calls of boycott with a statement quite similar to one Dan Cathy made back in 2011. And while it’s a nice sentiment, their words and their contributions to virulently anti-gay groups don’t seem to match up.

“The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect – regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. We will continue this tradition in the over 1,600 Restaurants run by independent Owner/Operators. Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.

Chick-fil-A is a family-owned and family-led company serving the communities in which it operates. From the day Truett Cathy started the company, he began applying biblically-based principles to managing his business. For example, we believe that closing on Sundays, operating debt-free and devoting a percentage of our profits back to our communities are what make us a stronger company and Chick-fil-A family.

Our mission is simple: to serve great food, provide genuine hospitality and have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.”

102 Responses to “This is why Chick-fil-A sucks”

  1. JC July 20, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    I was blown away by this until I read your facts…. Thanks to them for supporting the FCA / Fellowship of Christian Athletes. (I didn’t know we were anti-gay… but if you say so.) That’s like saying all Christians.. or Christian Athletes are anti-gay. And thanks to someone for trying to strengthen marriages. (There are plenty to try and fix) I’m sure you can find people in any organization that are anti-gay. Have you ever donated to the Red Cross? The local Police? Vietnam Vets? Little Jenny’s Lemonade Stand? You name it… everyone has been accused of being anti-gay. So yes continue to support lesbian and gay rights but let us continue to support other GOOD causes as well.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 21, 2012 at 8:38 am #

      Here is why your organization is anti-gay. If you’d bothered to click on the link, you’d have found it. No, not all Christianist organizations are anti-gay. There are some who support and love ALL members. Some who welcome ALL people. Yours is not one of them.
      Fellowship Of Christian Athletes Conference Has “Freed” People From Homosexuality. Every year, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA) holds a National College Conference that Danny Burns, the conference Program Director, described as one in which “God freed some people from homosexuality, sexual sins, addictions and even ushered newcomers into His Kingdom.” Burns’ comment has since been edited on FCA’s website.

      • tanznadel July 27, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

        You have a good informative website here. I am checking on the groups Cathy gives monies to. Here I have discovered some bio on these groups. Not Pretty are they. What most People don’t understand in all of this is the personal psychology involved. I keep it simple for it is…it’s our prejudices and if they begin to swallow us like an Anaconda swallow its prey then they surely get the best of our morality toward the “other” wherein we see the fingerprints of Uganda for example. Just visualize “Darth Vader” and it’s there in one picture. Is this hate prejudice rationalized? To the max it is. And here is rationalization spoken to by Heinlein: ” Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal”. So, what am I saying? I am saying that anti-gay anything is all about succumbing to our own prejudices because of our lack of character to stand up to such. And that is why all this anti-gay targeting. Gays aren’t threatening different sex marriage…Gays threaten our prejudices…and that’s scary.

      • bp August 1, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

        You said the voting happened in 2010, yet Chic-fi-la gave them only $1,000 IN 2009—before that group even lobbied for that law. And, you are going all crazy saying chic-fi-la supports killing?? Give me a break….

      • Jamie McGonnigal August 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

        The funny thing about legislation and the ideas that cause that legislation is that they don’t always happen in 12 months. In fact, they NEVER happen in 12 months. And it was not just that one organization they supported who was pulling for the law. They also had plenty of support from Family Research Council and Focus on the Family who have also been tied to the anti-gay bill.

    • Isupportequality July 30, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

      In my humble opinion, having people executed in Uganda for being gay is not a “good cause.” Nor is trying to “treat” their homosexuality and turn them straight–this just leads to psychological damage. I DO NOT want my money to go toward such causes.

  2. Christine July 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    You’re meme is highly insulting and a load of garbage. No Christian believes the smut you put on it. You made the meme to be hateful and spread lies about Christians. AMERICAN people are allowed to believe in whatever they choose, it’s called religious tolerance. Discrimination would consist of NOT serving those who are gay which is NOT what Chick Fil A is doing or ever even hinted at doing. If you want to believe in flying unicorns that is your right as an American citizen. If Chick Fil A wants to believe in Jesus Christ as their lord and savior then they are most certainly welcome. If you don’t like it, don’t eat there. They will continue to serve anyone because they don’t actually discriminate.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 23, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

      Did you read the article? Where in the meme did I mention Christians? There is nothing Christian about spreading hateful lies about gay peoole or fighting to have them executed.

      • Tony October 6, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

        You are so deluded it’s not even funny.

      • Jamie McGonnigal October 6, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

        please, elaborate. I’m dying to hear the brilliance.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

      Do you believe that as a non-Christian I should support a company that was helping groups push for the execution of Christians in other countries? That’s what you’re saying here.

      So pretend I open up a bakery. Let’s call it “Awesome Bakery.” I make a LOT of money with that bakery and give a whole lot of it to a group called “We love everybody, inc.” Something not a lot of people know is that “We love everybody, inc.” is going to the country of Neverland and fighting really hard to get a law passed. This law would put all Christian people on trial and those Christians might end up getting sentenced to death, just for being Christian. Would you spend money in my bakery? How would you feel if thousands of people on Facebook defended my right to give money to “We love everybody, inc.? And thousands more started campaigns saying “Support Awesome Bakery! They’re just doing what they believe in!” Would you be upset if your non-Christian friends or family said those same things? Think about it.

      • Beer Geek July 25, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

        It’s hard to think when your knee is jerking wildly, and your eyes, ears, and mind are closed.

      • Jamie McGonnigal July 25, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

        Yeah, being a bigot who supports the execution of gay people can certainly limit one’s thinking.

    • Slightly Twysted July 26, 2012 at 12:42 am #

      You did not read the article did you? Calm down. I don’t eat there, because as long as one of my human brothers or sisters is treated as less than equal, we all suffer.
      They help fund laws in other countries that would KILL people for being who they are.

      Jesus, your Jesus fellow never once in that entire book some people love waving about, said anything about hating gays.

      You have to go back to the Old Testament, you know, the book before the savior came and freed us all from the shackles of old traditions to find anti-gay anything.

      It also says *Don’t cut your hair* *Don’t get tattoos* *Don’t mix fabrics* *Don’t touch menstruating women* *Don’t eat shellfish* *Don’t eat Pork* (so many Churches have Pig roasts…. ) and *Sell your daughter into slavery*

      But that stuff gets skipped over.

      My knee is not jerking, my heart is breaking at the willful ignorance.

      Jesus said Love everyone, not just the people who look, think, and act just like you.

      The shortest verse in the bible is *Jesus Wept* But if he were to come here today, that verse would have to change to *Jesus Weeps*

    • Jess August 2, 2012 at 3:53 am #

      Jesus never said SQUAT about homosexuality!! ONLY the Old Testament mentions homosexuality. And there are A LOT of weird and stupid dogma in the Old Testament……including: don’t eat shellfish or pork, don’t cut the hair around your ears, never even touch a woman who is menstruating or you will be cast out of town until you are clean, wives must be subordinate in all situations to their husbands, don’t wear blended fabric clothing….there is a ridiculous amount of absurdness in the Bible’s O.T. So why do you disregard those mandates then? Most people say that bc the O.T. is merely there for context and is invalidated by the New Testament and Jesus….if so….since homosexuality is ONLY mentioned in the O.T. shouldn’t you just disregard the harsh treatment that the O.T. dolls out for them? If you like your BBQ and shrimp and you nice crew cut and you won’t give them up, then back off same sex marriage. Stop cherry picking and flip floping, you guys aren’t Mitt Romney.

      • jeanine bernier October 6, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

        1 Corinthians 6:9 (This in the new Testament written by Apostle Paul of Jesus Christ)

        “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived : Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulteres nor male prostitues nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kindgom of God.”

        It goes on to say that Jesus Christ has washed you of this sin. If you turn from it. So there is good news for all of us.

      • Jamie McGonnigal October 6, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

        Thanks for sharing your religious text with me. Happily though, we live in a country where my religious beliefs don’t have to be the same as yours. And if you actually believed in what the Constitution says, you’d see that your religious beliefs cannot be imposed on me. If I started quoting the Q’ran or the Torah or any other religious text to you, should I expect you to live by those words? Of course not. So kindly refrain from expecting me to do the same with yours.

  3. daniel July 23, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    how much money do you spend on products from companies that seriously exploit child labor or human rights in the work place? do you have a smartphone, desktop, or laptop computer? chances are you support these same companies that exploit children and drive people to commit suicide from horrendous work conditions…ever had a pair of shoes not made in the USA? good chance they were made by 7yrolds in sweat shops

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 25, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

      All entirely true. You are absolutely right. And you are doing the same thing I am by educating people on the purchases they make. I mean…except for the fact that while Apple may do some evil things, they aren’t pushing legislation that would feature the death penalty for anyone, but I digress. There are few huge corporations that are entirely above board, but I’m making the choice to share the truth about Chick-fil-A. Thanks for fighting for other people who also need your help.

      • jeanine October 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

        Jamie: Concerning my quote from the new testament in the Holy Bible. I was merely responding to the post before mine by Jess on August 2. He said that no where in the new testament is written that homesexuality is a sin. He was incorrect.

        But, the Lord gave us a free will and you are free to choose the path you want.

      • Jamie McGonnigal October 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

        Well in that case, you should look at the etymology of the Greek from which this was translated.The word it came from, arsenokoitai, has been translated to mean several different things within the same text you’re reading. It’s translated as “perverts,” “boy prostitutes,” and “male prostitutes.” Additionally, 1 Corinthians also commands that women be subservient to men and that women NEVER speak in church. Are you living by those words as well?

  4. daniel July 23, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    also did u research what the 1000 bucks was donated for specifically? it could’ve been for a number of reasons

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 25, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

      Most contributions to these organizations are for general funds. But either way, you are supporting an organization that is doing this work. Is it cool to give money to the Ku Klux Klan so long as it’s used on their childhood development fund?

  5. rawlings1027 July 24, 2012 at 8:53 am #

    While I think chick-fil-a is certainly free to say and support whomever they want as an organization, I can equally not agree with their stance. Here is a story I thought you’d find interesting:

    http://www.openforum.com/articles/why-is-a-fast-food-giant-going-after-a-one-man-business

  6. Big supporter of Chick Fil A July 24, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    I believe everyone has there opinion to believe in what they want!! I’m happy to see they are standing up to what is right!! I will continue to support Chick Fil A!!

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 25, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

      Cool. So you’re saying you’re cool with the money from your waffle fries being spent on the execution of gay people? Do you feel the same way about Jews? Were you a fan of the holocaust?

      • Denise July 26, 2012 at 7:21 am #

        It is unreal how blind people are in the name of Jesus or freedom. I happened to like both, but but the Jesus I believe in would never want to hate me, discriminate against me or see me dead through suicide or death penalty (or murder by some insane activist ‘Christian’). And I am so sick of people touting freedom of speech…of COURSE YOU HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. SO DO I! AND WITH VOCAL IGNORANCE COME VOCAL ARGUMENTS! You can’t just rant about the Bible hating gays and gays having sex with animals or children and expect me to sit by and smile. Nor can you rant about blacks, and Jews, or any other minority within earshot of me. I live with an open mind, however, the Jesus I believe in taught love and openness to all, not just a chosen few that some human being thinks are ‘saved’ . Get over yourselves. Go to church, and read your bible and actually HEAR the message. The message is love, and kindness, and sharing, actually caring for and not judging your neighbor! So stop hating in the name of God…I really doubt that He likes that!

    • Jade Beauharnois August 3, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

      Cool, great, people can believe and say what they want but when they want to take those beliefs and make laws out of them that are unjust they are wrong. Just because they don’t agree with gay marriage or homosexuality altogether doesn’t mean that they should try and make laws based on their discrimination. They can talk all the garbage they want but when they are going out and saying that the law should agree with them and take rights away from human beings….it is wrong…….it is a human right not a heterosexual privilege……that’s where the line is crossed…….

  7. silver account July 25, 2012 at 2:09 am #

    When two Missouri organizations, the Clayton Chamber of Commerce and FOCUS St. Louis, decided earlier this month to cancel a presentation by Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy over his company’s controversial affiliations, they made the right decision. Although Cathy has unequivocally denied being anti-LGBT and claimed that he and the company have “no agenda against anyone” and “will not champion any political agendas on marriage and family,” Equality Matters research proves just the opposite. In fact, the company has strong, deep ties to anti-gay organizations like Focus on the Family and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and its charitable division has provided more than $1.1 million to organizations that deliver anti-LGBT messages and promote egregious practices like reparative therapy that seek to “free” people of being gay.

  8. Forum For Gay July 26, 2012 at 6:27 am #

    Nice Article, I’ll save this one in my favorites..

  9. Chloe July 26, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    Thanks for posting this information – I’m amazed at how many people think that Chik-Fil-A is being unjustly criticized and attacked. If they were financially supporting the KKK, I wonder if so many people would say, “well, that’s their prerogative! Stop violating their first amendment rights!” The fundamentalist groups being funded here are subtle, vicious, and use the term “God” to deliver hate. They want to continue to humiliate, undermine and hold back Constitutional rights from people they deem “ungodly.” Luckily, they are on the wrong side of history.

  10. Grant July 26, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    I’m an employee at chick fil a. I’m a manager as a matter of fact. I have never been discriminated against, never been hated on, and am one of my bosses favorite employees. And I am gay. Each chick fil a franchise is individually owned and operated, meaning the owners can hire and fire whomever they choose. The select few people donating to these ‘hate’ organizations are at the corporate level in Atlanta, Georgia and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of those owning and working the franchises. And besides, how much political pull do these organizations REALLY have? I’d say not much.
    The state I live in is an employment at will state, and I can be fired for any reason as long as its not my age, sex, race, or religion. So I could be fired for being gay. But I’m not. I’m treated with the same respect and dignity as everyone else, as are the many other gays that are employed by chick fil a (and I know of several!) I’ve even received a scholarship from chick fil a to help pay for college. Working at chick fil a has served me very very well.m

    Imagine if all the homosexuals and/or left leaning people boycotted chick fil a. It would hurt me and many of the other hardworking employees that work there. One person won’t hurt us. But a large group will. Please remember that there are gays employed by chick fil a, and by giving this business your patronage, you are helping us more than you are indirectly helping corporate.
    Thank you :)

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 26, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

      Thanks very much for your comment, Grant. I appreciate your point of view. To answer some of your questions, these anti-gay organizations actually do huge amounts of damage. They are the ones who have inspired lawmakers in Uganda to draft their “Kill the Gays” bill. And here in the US, they are on every news show imaginable spreading horrible lies about you, causing voters to buy into their particular brand of bigotry so that you aren’t allowed to marry, adopt children, be fired from your job or evicted from your home. These are the people that still think being gay should be criminalized here.

      What we are doing is trying to educate people so they know where their money is going when they buy something at Chick-fil-A. I know some of that money is going towards your education and your rent, but some of it is supporting the murder of gay people around the globe. If given the choice between spending $ at CFA where some is used for good and some for evil or spending money at Wendy’s or anywhere else really where I know none of that money is going towards the murder of gay people – I’ll choose Wendy’s.

      Perhaps if your franchise owner saw a significant drop in sales, they’d call corporate and say “stop giving money to groups that are fighting to have gay people killed,” maybe they’d listen. If CFA stopped giving money to those bigoted groups, I could eat there without compromising my desire to not be killed.

      • Julie August 3, 2012 at 8:31 am #

        Not sure you should choose Wendy’s, they’re supporting / agreeing with CFA.

      • Jamie McGonnigal August 3, 2012 at 9:38 am #

        No they’re not. One store posted a sign and then corporate immediately made them remove it because Wendy’s does not contribute to Anti-Gay Hate Groups.

    • Scott Wooledge July 26, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

      If true, I’m happy for you.

      Alas, testimony from “Grant” on the internet isn’t particularly convincing. As we saw from the Abby Farle incident, anyone can register a log in and post stuff on the internet.

      Perhaps you would like to talk to the news media on the record about what kind of working environment Chick-Fil-A offers to gay and lesbian people?

      • Mikemo August 3, 2012 at 4:59 am #

        Our local Chik-Fil-A here has a gay employee who pretty much said the same thing. I feel bad for him and his co-workers as that Chik-Fil-A was a very friendly and nice place. However, I won’t be eating there or at any Chik-Fil-A again unless they drop their contributions to bigoted organizations. It’s a shame too because Chik-Fil-A was the only fast-food that I can stand to eat.

      • Mikemo August 3, 2012 at 5:03 am #

        Ugh. Forget what I said. After reading what he said below he’s nothing like the local employee here.

  11. Grant July 26, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    I understand the skepticism, Scott, but I am an employee at chick fil a. Harrison Square FSU in Cary, north carolina. We are on facebook. IStarted at 16 in march of 2006, became a crew leader in 2008 and am now at 22 i am a manager and certified trainer. I’ve been to numerous seminars and meetings to learn how to better serve customers and train employees, have visited the headquarters in Atlanta and met Dan Cathy himself. He was very nice to me and appreciated me commitment to chick fil a.

    This exodus group has denied any help to killing gays in Uganda, I looked it up.
    We tolerance preachers need to practice it ourselves, and should say negative things about those who disagree with us. Otherwise, it just gives us a bad name.

    Should we boycott every bisuness where the CEOs views do not line up exactly with our own? I know if I did that, I’d have very few places to go!

    Boycotting chick fil a isn’t going to hurt Dan Cathy. He and his family have over $4 billion, could close chick fil a tomorrow and be set for life. Boycotts hurt the individual stores, where the owners and employees have no control over what Dan Cathy says. I’m not interested in contacting him to ask him to change his opinion. That wouldn’t be right. Boycotts hurt the hardworking employees, the produce companies that deliver to the stores, the repair shops that fix problems, and the landscapers that maintain the lawns.

    • Grant July 27, 2012 at 12:01 am #

      Please excuse the typos above, I was in a bit of a hurry. We should NOT say negative things about those who disagree with us haha

    • Scott Wooledge July 27, 2012 at 12:01 am #

      “Should we boycott every bisuness ”

      Well, I’m not really going to play the “if you’re going after Chick-Fil-A you must go after every evil in the world for your action to be valid” game. There’s lots of awful things and companies that can be protested. If you feel strongly about a different cause, you’re welcome to start up a movement of your own at any target you like.

      Upthread you acknowledge you can be fired in your state for being gay. It is precisely because of the efforts of the American Family Association, Family Research Council and other groups that Chick-Fil-A has donated over $5M to that this is true. And it will continue to be true so long as they have a money pipeline to support and threaten legislators and create anti-gay animus among the voters.

      And no, I really don’t feel I need to “be tolerant” of groups and people that undermine my basic civil rights and stigmatize myself and other LGBT people. Especially when those people have no valid complaints abouts about exercising their own civil rights, just the desire to suppress others. Especially not when the lies and prejudice they spread put the youth of our community at very high risk for homeless, suicide and hate crimes.

      This action may be unpleasant but is absolutely not oppressing anyone. Dan Cathy is still every bit free to say anything he wants and spend his money as he wishes as he was last week, last month and last year.

      No one is assured by the Constitution or common sense that they can play politics and be insulated from pushback.

  12. Grant July 27, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    I said I can be fired in my state for being gay. But I haven’t been. No one gay that I know has been. No one I have heard of has been. This is because no one really cares anymore, and the law simply hasn’t been updated. Now you seem educated on current events, Scott, so I’m sure you heard about the recent legislation that passed in NC regarding a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as between a man and a woman. That hurt and I felt like our state had taken a step backwards. But then I thought about it. Does this mean north Carolina is anti gay? Not necessarily. It just means that north Carolina only supports heterosexual marriage. There is a difference, and while I wasn’t thrilled, I don’t blame anybody but the traditional southern voters who showed up at the polls. I don’t blame these pro-traditional-family organizations. Just remember, the members of these organizations, dan cathy, me, you: we all vote once. No one has more voting power than anyone else? I’m still not happy about the situation, but I am young and believe this time will pass.

    Meanwhile (brace yourselves): marriage is not a right. Anything that requires you have a license is not a right. (Like driving, hunting, gun ownership etc). And you need a marriage license to be married. As a gay man, I feel I have the same rights as anyone else. I vote, I date whomever I please, I buy food, I go to the movies, etc etc. What rights are you talking about are being denied to you? Seems to me like we are tolerated and even accepted in most areas. Yes there are those who are extreme, but it’s coming from both ends!

    All I’m saying is: why target chick fil a? It’s a good clean business. An honest business. An accepting business. (yes, we gays are accepted. All we know is that Dan Cathy is ‘pro family’ and donated a small fraction of his income to other ‘pro family’ organizations.) does this mean they are anti gay? Again, not necessarily. As far as chick fil a’s treatment of homosexuals goes, they are treated just like everyone else: with respect and dignity. I could not find any sources that linked those donations to killing gays in Uganda, other than grossly biased online blogs and journals. But I found nothing objective or substantial. That leads me to believe that some people just want to stand on their soapbox and spew blame on someone (in this case, a well run family business) for their misfortune.

    Why not pick a ‘target’ (guess we have enemy’s now!) that really deserves it? Enron deserved it. I can think of a few others too if I give myself time. Pick a company that doesn’t hire or serve gays, or that treats them as sub human (can you even think of any?) but by targeting chick fil a, you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water, seeing as how many gays work and eat there.

    Meanwhile, let’s refrain from emotionally charged phrases like ‘ignorant bigots’. It just makes us sound un creative, mean, and hateful. No one likes to be called names (most of us know that first hand!) and instead turn the other cheek with a friendly, logical, un emotionally charged manner. I can’t tell you how silly it looks when gay rights activists don’t know how to handle themselves and get frustrated, angry, and begin to name call (just like extremists on the other side!)

    In my opinion and experience, the best way to get through to people and help them become more tolerant of the person I was born to be is through mature discussion. Without name calling or feet stomping etc. Let people get to know us. And how we are just like everyone else, with one minor difference. But we eat, work, get dressed, drive cars, and take vacations just like our hetero friends. Someone might think ‘hey, I like Grant. Maybe being gay really isn’t all as evil as I was taught it was…’

    • Scott Wooledge July 27, 2012 at 1:12 am #

      How many teen suicides are you willing to be tolerant of?

      How many hate crimes? How many lesbians shot in the head in Texas? How many men burned out of their house?

      How many teenage kids thrown out of their homes to forage on to the streets, with no skills or education because “good Christians” like Dan Cathy don’t “accept their lifestyle?”

      A lot more than I am.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 27, 2012 at 11:40 am #

      Dear Sweet Unemotional Uninformed Grant,

      We have the right to be angry. You are quite wrong if you think that being gay is tolerated or accepted in most parts of the country. You were just told by your own neighbors that you should not have the same rights and responsibilities as they do. And you’re wrong, marriage is a “right.” It was deemed so by the Supreme Court in Loving vs. Virginia. Rights are not supposed to be voted on, yet they are regularly.

      For some reason, you are okay with not having access to the same things your neighbors have simply because of who you love and the self-hatred here is palpable. Dan Cathy did not give a small portion of his own income to these organizations, WinShape, the charitable arm of the company you work for gave more than $5 million to these organizations which yes, are ANTI-GAY. Exodus International seeks to “repair” homosexuals. Focus on the Family and Exodus (thought they publicly deny it because well, who would claim credit for it?) have taken an ACTIVE part in campaigning for Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” bill. Do you believe this to be okay simply because we should live and let live? When someone is trying to kill me or members of my community, I have a responsibility to stand up and do something about it. You may not see it that way because you clearly choose to look past the evil things people do to you for some unknown reason.

      I’m truly shocked at your apathy towards members of your own community. Have you questioned your own management about these contributions? Have you thought for a moment that you are taking an active part in helping them to make the money they are giving towards these groups? I don’t care how much it is, I couldn’t imagine making so much as a cent for an organization that is fighting to have my family murdered – anywhere in the world. How can you?

      • Rebecca August 1, 2012 at 11:31 am #

        Has anyone ever thought that maybe Grant isn’t letting his sexual orientation define him? That maybe he is choosing to be concerned about/stand for more important topics in the world? That maybe he is choosing to accept the fact that being gay is hard and will bring hardships, but that there are much more important things to focus on? Just a thought.

      • Jamie McGonnigal August 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

        Unfortunately in today’s society and as Grant has made clear through what he’s written, it’s easy to see this is not the case. His internalized homophobia and self-hatred is glaringly obvious. The idea that someone who “doesn’t let their sexual orientation define them,” has spent enough time considering the harm his employers are committing against people like him and has moved past it is ludicrous at best. If you were a Jew during the Holocaust and spent time defending the Nazis, would you say that person has just moved past their Jewish heritage, understand that some hardships come with it and move on? Do you realize how insulting that sounds?

      • Marc August 3, 2012 at 3:15 am #

        Just because you have the right to free speech and the right to believe as you choose, and the right to make choices which will lead you away from God, doesn’t mean we have to accept or condone them.

        If my son were to come to me one day and tell me that he is gay, I would still love him more than you could ever believe. However I love God and his words and teachings more, for he tells me that my love for him must be more than the love I have for anyone or anything.

        That being the case, would I disown my son, never! Would I somehow act as if I was no longer his father? No, for God tells us we must love everyone, no matter what. God as given each of a mission…to make disciples. That means it would then be my job to work to help my son see the error of his ways.

        Yes, I love my son and always will….no matter what. But would I or could I condone the choice to act on sexually impure thoughts….no. Whether the thoughts are straight or gay, they are wrong.

        Marriage was meant to be one man and one woman, for the Bible tells us so. Read Matthew chapter 9. How can one person or a group of persons think so much of themselves and so little of God that they would put their own desires ahead of God’s will?

      • Jamie McGonnigal August 3, 2012 at 7:35 am #

        Marc I am approving this comment only for the reason of letting you know that 1 out of 4 teenagers who are not accepted and embraced by their family for being gay, end up committing suicide. If you cannot accept your son for being gay (in this hypothetical situation), you should not be a parent. If you are choosing your faith (which IS a choice) over the life of your son (whose being gay is NOT a choice), you should not be a parent. Unless you are willing to tell me that you’d put him to death if he spoke back to you, put your wife to death if she sleeps with another man or flog yourself for wearing clothing of two different fibers, eating shellfish or playing football (all in the Bible), then you are reading your Bible selectively and you’re doing nothing but using your religion as an excuse for your misunderstanding and your hatred.

        Read your Bible again. Biblical marriage has almost nothing to do with “one man and one woman.” According to the Bible, marriage is between one man and several women, one woman and her rapist, one man and his brother’s widow and any other combination you can imagine. What you won’t find in the Bible is any mention whatsoever of a woman being given a choice or having any consent whatsoever in whom she marries. If you want to truly live by the tenets of the Bible, you’d realize “one man/one woman marriage” is barely in there.

    • Chloe July 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

      Grant, you DESERVE to have the same protections and exemptions as all other people in this country. No matter what you say, I want to fight for equality across the board. The master’s tools cannot dismantle the master’s house (Audre Lord).

  13. Robert Haaga July 27, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    So they are not entitled to express there own opinion and have values that you don’t agree with, sound a little one side to me.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 27, 2012 at 10:57 am #

      No Robert, that was never said. Not once. They have every right to express their opinion and even give millions to groups who wish to see gay people murdered. That is their right. Is it not also my right to educate people who are spending their money at Chick-fil-A to let them know they are helping fund these things?

    • Chloe July 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

      Is hate a value you want to support, Robert?

  14. Rdoactv July 29, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    A picture by the FRC is being posted on FB including chick fil a s logo.. and it hasnt been taken off..should we therefore believe FB is biased also? I can live without facebook.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 29, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

      No, after a chat with Facebook peeps, it seems a bunch of anti-gay folks tagged the post as offensive and there’s an automatic trigger at facebook that gets things pulled down…a certain number of reports and it happens automatically. I’ve been reinstated and can post whatever I want now :)

  15. A skewed view July 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Are Christians out to kill gay people? I didn’t get that from the CEO’s comments.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 29, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

      Some do. You might want to read the article. You may not have gotten that from Dan Cathy’s comments, but take a look at the $5 million he’s given via CFA to groups whoa re fighting to have gay people executed.

    • Renee August 2, 2012 at 1:11 am #

      Some people who claim they are Christians are out to kill anyone who violate their Biblical views. I would hope that a CEO, Christian or not , would look into exactly who they are giving money to. You have people claiming to be Christians and will bomb an abortion clinic, committing murder themselves. Against Biblical principal? Yes, I think so. Knowingly giving money to a government that will execute a group of people? Is that Christian? Is that Biblical? Is that WWJD?

  16. Grant July 29, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    Thanks, skewed view! :)

    Sorry for the delay in my reply. I was busy yesterday scrubbing graffiti off our bathroom walls in my chick fil a. Someone wrote in sharpie ‘chick fil a is anti gay’. Just goes to show the mature mentality of some of these people. So I thought it would be ironic if me and the other gay guys I work with cleaned it up!

    Scott, Dan Cathy is not to blame for teen suicides. Nor is he to blame for crimes happening to gays. Nor are they getting thrown out of their homes because hes a christian who doesnt accept them. Bullies, criminals, and heartless parents are to blame for that. . So why not take an active part in an anti bullying program instead? Or the ‘it gets better’ project? Or pflag?

    Jamie,
    Why have you resorted to sarcasm and name calling against a fellow gay? I am not uninformed. I just have a different view than you. And if you cannot handle reading a view different than your own, perhaps you should tell me to stop writing posts. Meanwhile, you failed to address some of my points in my previous post. For example, I said that Dan Cathy and chick fil as donations do not mean that they are anti gay. (you seem to think I was referring to the organizations themselves, which we both know are anti gay). I know all about winshape too. This organization has done plenty good in the community.
    Can you please show me substantial evidence regarding this “kill the gays bill”? It only seems to pop up on my searches on biased un realiable blogs and journals…maybe you have an inside informant?

    Loving v. Virginia: that case has NOTHING to do with anything regarding same sex marriage, and if you interpret it as such, you are taking it way out of context. This case applies to racial discrimination in marriages. Read it carefully, my friend and you will see. But don’t worry, our time will come someday and we will have a supreme court case all about us! :)

    Chick fil a has always been candid about their pro traditional family stance. Always. This is not new news. Why are you so outraged now? A baptist minister asked Dan Cathy his view (once again) on gay marriage. And Dan answered the question. And now people are in an uproar and finding all this ‘new’ information about donations.
    Honestly. You just need a soapbox to stand on.
    But if you think you not going to chick fil a is going to make a difference, and help save gay lives around the world, (or at least, not contribute to such)m you’re wrong. Chick fil a is worth over $4 billion. They could close business tomorrow, be set for life for generations, and still make donations. Your money doesn’t make a difference to them, or the ‘gays being killed in Uganda’.

    It makes a difference to me. If we lose regular customers (and we have lost a few by the way) we can’t afford to keep people, pay landscapers or repairmen, our local produce people (because our chick fil a buys local produce), our bread people, etc etc. and suddenly, a small community of people are directly affected. While you have done nothing.
    Want to make a difference? There are members in you’re community working at chick fil a that you can help. Or, Go to Uganda yourself and fight for them, instead of spreading your own brand of hate here in the united states, and not eating chick fil a. (did you even eat there to begin with?? If I remember correctly, you’re in dc and there are very few that way).

    I’m not apathetic. I’m realistic. I look at what I can do personally and directly to help members of my community. And I’m doing a swell job if I do say so myself. And I do it without calling Christians hateful bigots (because that would just make them angry and disapprove of me even more).

    Regarding one of your more recent posts. Christians, as a general whole, do not want ANYONE killed. There are extremists, and there are misinformed people, just like there are in the Muslim, atheist, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Buddhist, and GAY communities.

    Yes, we have the right to be angry, but does that mean being angry is the RIGHT thing to do.

    Have I asked questions to management about this, you ask? I AM management. The only guy above me is the owner of the restaurant. And he donates his money to jimmy v foundation, nc state university, and his melding church. No harm there. We have no control over what corporate does with their money, nor does corporate have any control over what our store does. As long as we pay our fees for using their brand and follow their rules for how to sell their brand, (that’s how they make their money) we are free do do as we choose.

    Glad your Facebook posts were reinstated! Mike Huckabee’s ‘support chick fil a’ page was also taken down temporarily. But is reinstated as well now.
    …so no, there are no Facebook biases. Clearly, the ‘pro gay’ side is just as at fault here for trying to silence people. Or a glitch occurred.
    :)

    • Grant July 29, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

      Methodist*** church, not melding haha

      • Grant July 29, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

        I cannot change your mind I suppose, but at least I’ll ask you to respect my position and understand this issue is a legitimate concern for me. And I ask you to consider treating everyone the same, whether or not you feel hated or victimized, instead of ‘hating your haters’. It’s highly unbecoming.

      • Grant July 30, 2012 at 12:40 am #

        Just found this statement online, regarding the bill in uganda, thought you might find it interesting:

        Several Christian organizations oppose it, including the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church of Canada, Integrity Uganda, Exodus International, Accepting Evangelicals, Changing Attitude, Courage, Ekklesia, Fulcrum, Inclusive Church and the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement. Exodus International sent a letter to President Museveni stating, “The Christian church … must be permitted to extend the love and compassion of Christ to all. We believe that this legislation would make this mission a difficult if no impossible task to carry out.”[60] A group of U.S. Christian leaders have released a statement to Uganda about the bill, one of these leaders being Thomas Patrick Melady, former U.S. Ambassador to Uganda.[61] The Anglican Reverend Canon Gideon Byamugisha said that the Bill “would become state-legislated genocide”.[62]

        This is from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
        Some may not find it ‘reliable’ but it is monitored regularly for fraud so I’d say it’s good enough for now :)

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 30, 2012 at 7:41 am #

      I’m still in shock that you truly believe the company you work for is not anti-gay.

      I’ll happily address your points, which I did address before despite your failing to believe it. Dan Cathy via Chick-fil-A made donations to groups that want to see gay people executed. Dan Cathy is well-aware of what the groups he donated to do. He is well-aware that some of them have been identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “anti-gay hate groups.” He is not a stupid or a blind man. So yes. Because he donated to these groups makes him anti-gay. Their anti-gay work is not just “some of what they do,” it is their primary motivation for existing. They may say it’s not, but 90% of their work is in fighting any sort of gay rights legislation including stopping you from getting married, adopting children, getting hired for a job or having a place to live. It goes beyond being “pro-traditional family.” it is hatred.

      Here’s some more evidence on Uganda’s Kill the Gays Bill…from Rachel Maddow, who is hardly an unreliable source: http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2009/12/04/maddow-uganda-be-kidding-me

      Loving vs. Virginia established quite clearly that marriage IS a right. Clearly you are the one with a misunderstanding of the case. Yes, the case was regarding an interracial marriage, but the funny thing about laws in this country is that they don’t just apply to the person who won that case. To quote the majority conclusion:

      “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men”

      So despite your self-hatred and desire to see yourself as second-class, you are not. Again, this is why I continue to fight in spite of ignorant gay people such as yourself. I’m not going to sit in a corner and worry about upsetting hateful bigot Christians or their internalized-homophobic enablers. I’m sorry. If I see something, I’m going to say something. Because I want my kids to be able to get married one day in a country where it’s legal. I don’t want my kids to keep killing themselves over the taunts they receive from hateful bigot Christian children. I for one would like to see that change.

  17. Grant July 30, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Here’s another link that, again, show exodus international actually opposed that bill

    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/10640

  18. The Great July 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    Have you also decided to quit purchasing gas (or only purchase more expensive, “ethical” gas) since most of the members of OPEC not only are “anti-gay,” but have actively killed gay people in their home countries? I am curious if you are consistent in your viewpoints.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 30, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

      Yes. I take public transportation to work, no longer own a car and ride a bike where I can. You got anything else?

      • jen July 31, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

        I think the thing you posted on Facebook might be be considered to be slanderous, maybe that’s why it was taken down. Free speech allows you to state your beliefs but your statements seemed to suggest that the Chick-Fil-A corporation has a lot of people who support the horrific things you mentioned. Yes, sadly, it sounds like some of the organizations that receive donations from Chick-Fil-A are anti-gay but the founders don’t, and the corporation itself doesn’t, discriminate against gay people in it’s operating business. Maybe it would be more effective if everyone who is appalled by the anti-gay organizations should write a letter to Dan Cathy and ask that his philanthropic committee reconsider donating to organizations who appear to be hate groups. In the letter, one should state facts about those organizations that are inconsistent with his Christian values.

        So yeah, don’t eat at Chick-Fil-A if you don’t want your money to possibly trickle down to a hate organization (although it might go to the foster homes supported by Chick-Fil-A’s WinShape Foundation).

        Unfortunately there are so many businesses you’d probably want to boycott if you knew what charities they give to or how the CEOs spend their $. That’s a lot of research to do! More power to ya though. I’m going to choose to be kind to all people. I think if everyone loved their neighbor, no matter what their gender, ethnicity, political beliefs, religious beliefs,or sexual orientation, that would make the biggest difference in our world.

        Stand up for what you believe in and put your concerns in official letters to companies. Leave out emotional attacks, just state your beliefs and concerns.

      • Jamie McGonnigal August 1, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

        Actually, no. The post is now back up because after reviewing it, Facebook found nothing slanderous about it. It was removed because anti-gay bigots didn’t like what it said and so they flagged it, causing an auto-trip removal.

        A letter writing campaign sounds lovely and wouldn’t it be so sweet and nice if anyone ever responded to them. Unfortunately they don’t. You cannot cause real pressure for change by writing a letter to a CEO who will most likely never see that letter.

        I’ve had three different lawyers review the claims made and the evidence to back it up and there is nothing slanderous about it.

        I will continue to stand up for what I believe in by telling the truth so people can make educated decisions about what they are buying and where their money is going.

  19. Chris Rutter July 31, 2012 at 12:46 am #

    Thank you so much for opening some peoples eyes. I am a Canadian, and we’ve had equal rights and marriage for almost ten years. I am an admin for an anti-bullying campaign that focuses on gay bullying and suicide. I have shared this with my team, and I am now a ‘follower’ :) great job dealing with the comments from ignorant trolls. I had a huge smile on my face reading how you dealt with their bigotry. much respect, Chris from Enough is Enough : the blog page.

  20. Kari Houston July 31, 2012 at 3:09 am #

    You are ridiculous. I read what each organization supports and your own facts do not support the outrageously inflammatory meme that you ‘created’. I think that gays should be allowed to marry but your article does more harm than good because you are ignorant.

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 31, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

      Apparently you didn’t read it because each of the facts support what was said. Why don’t you go back to the beginning and start again. Things are inflammatory when they are not true. These things are all true, as supported by the links and the quotes and actions from the people who are financed by Chick-fil-A.

  21. Grant July 31, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Oh, and if Dan Cathy really does ‘hate’ gays, as you say, then why are there homos working for corporate? Why are all the individually owned stores employing homos? And why are they treated just like everyone else? And why are homo guests told welcomed instead of told to leave? I would argue he disagrees with homosexuality (hence his charitable donations), but tolerates it, at the very least enough to pay them salary. Otherwise, how do you explain his actions?

    • Jamie McGonnigal July 31, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

      Ummm because in some of the states CFA operates in, it is illegal to discriminate against gay people (I steer clear of the term “homos,” as it’s derogatory and something only said by people who have a problem with gay people…or have a strong sense of internalized homophobia which we’ve already established you suffer greatly from). Additionally, it is illegal to refuse service to gay people in most states. Again – wouldn’t want to break the law. So he practices his bigotry the only way he can – by giving to groups who want to murder gay people. And there you are supporting and defending him like the self-hating gay person you are.

    • mark August 1, 2012 at 11:20 am #

      Grant,

      I believe the slave owners had blacks in their home, cooking for them, watching and raising their children and entertaining them. They don’t care who you are as long as you are making money for them and keep quiet. Express an opposing view and let’s see how long you last.

      You should want to be accepted not tolerated. Also, I know all to well first hand the Christians “love” you so they can convert you.”Love the sinner, hate the sin!” Been there!!

      Hope that

      • Laura August 2, 2012 at 9:57 am #

        And how is labeling all Christians and their “love” as you say any better than what chick-Fil-A has said??? I’m a PROUD Catholic with LOVE not “love” for my gay family and friends! If you want to solve a problem don’t become part of it with words like that. That is ignorant.

  22. Justcurious August 1, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    One thing I would be interested in knowing… why are you acting like having sex with animals or children is so awful? I mean, if a person is born that way (and please prove that they are not), then what is so wrong with it? Next, the bestiality folks will want animal-human marriage rights and the pedophiles will demand that their perversion be accepted as “normal”. Who knows, you are probably already working on that for your next act. There has to be a line.

    • Jamie McGonnigal August 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

      This is simply an idiotic argument. Outside of Christian relationships up until the turn of the century, tell me when in the US it has been legal to marry a minor? Also tell me the last time a dog was able to sign a marriage license. Two consenting adults should be allowed to marry. When they are not, it is discrimination under our Constitution.

      • Stephanie Ayanna Costa September 18, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

        I love the argument that soon people will be able to marry their pets and etc. Two consenting adults are people and people should be able to marry who they want. It was the same thing with blacks want equal treament and rights that should have been granted discriminaton is discrimination.

  23. Laura August 2, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    Simple fact of the matter is that they have the right to believe and say whatever they want. That’s why our country is great….hold on don’t go crazy yet. This is why I’m saying this… The homosexual community getting offended and trying to silence Chick-Fil-A is EXACTLY what the community has been in an uproar for years about having done to them. They give money to “anti-gay organizations”…you’re saying that this is not ok? So, with that mindset corporations that are pro-homsexuality should contribute to Chick-Fil-A affiliates instead of other pro-homosexuality pushers. Your thinking doesn’t make sense. Just because I eat chicken doesn’t mean I’m anti-gay. Just because I dance at pride parades doesn’t mean I’m gay. It means I’m a Catholic with my own beliefs and I live in a country where I can voice them. They have their beliefs and the gay community has theirs. So, why is it not ok for a restaurant chain to support what they believe, but it’s ok for homosexuals to support their beliefs? You can’t have one without the other.

    • Stephanie Ayanna Costa September 18, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

      So it’s okay to judge people based on sexual orientation in which they have not choice in being able to change.

  24. Bob Smith August 3, 2012 at 7:36 am #

    This is the most twisted article I have ever read!! You took Dan Cathy’s comments completely out of context. He did NOT say “guilty as charged” to funding anti-gay organizations. He said “guilty as charged” to finding organizations who support biblical marriage views. Shame on you. And Chick-Fil-A specifically denied the support to murder gays. Shame on you all.

    • Jamie McGonnigal August 3, 2012 at 9:40 am #

      Of course they denied supporting the murder of gays. Do you really think that would fly with anyone? It’s all well and good to say you don’t support something publicly but the fact – (which is supported not only by the posts you’ve read, but CHICK-FIL-A’s TAX RETURNS which are linked in the article), is that they have donated millions to groups who are fighting to have gays put to death. It is the truth, supported by evidence, whether you believe it or not.

  25. Chibi Horsewoman August 3, 2012 at 9:42 pm #

    I haven’t eatten at CFA since late 2003 when I moved back to New York from Texas. Reading this I am very happy to say I only ate there 3 times while living there. I can’t believe that no one investigates Christian groups like this in the US. If these were Muslim groups the GOP would be going overboard to investigate and make sure none of the funds were going to Terrorist organizations. Sad, but true fact of life in the US. I’d also like to know if only the US would have to answer to God about ‘definining marriage since Canada has allowed same sex couples to marry for close to a decade .

  26. Hannah August 8, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    The issue with all of this is that you aren’t thinking of the Cathy family’s personal beliefs, as a Christian the bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, and it also says that you can not be a Christian while living in sin, do if you are a homosexual that means you cannot be a true Christian, I mean everyone sins, but if you choose to make a lifestyle out of it then you’ve chosen that over God, and while God, myself and many Christians love gay people I cannot condone their choices, as it is completely opposit of mine and the Cathy family, of course they don’t support gay charities, do homosexual groups support traditional marriage and family organizations? I doubt it, honestly this is all made too big of a deal in my opinion

    • Jamie McGonnigal August 8, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

      So would you be okay if I supported an anti-christian group that advocated for the execution of Christians in some countries? Would that be understandable and okay to do in your opinion? You’ve completely missed the point. You are allowed to believe in whatever book you want to believe in. And if I want to say I worship The Little Engine The Could, I can. This is NOT about beliefs. This is about a company financially assisting groups (using money from the waffle fries I bought) to persecute people based only on who they love. Think about it for a minute. Imagine walking down the street holding your husband’s hand. For that simple act in many countries, you can be put to death. Do you believe that is ok? Because if you don’t, you should not be buying things at Chick-fil-A. I don’t know how to make it any clearer.

      And finally, as people keep telling me that I “chose” to be gay. Can anyone PLEASE answer the question as to when y’all “chose” to be straight? How old were you when you clearly decided that you liked people of the opposite gender?

      • Austin January 31, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

        Comparing a gay who likes Chick-fil-a to a jew who likes a nazi is completely unfair and inaccurate. No one goes there because of their stance on gays. People go there because their food is amazing, and their service is exceptional. It doesn’t after that you spend your money at Chick-fil-a, The defense of Marriage act shall soon be repealed, and/or, most states will vote to legalize gay marriage anyway.

  27. zer0 May 14, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    If you gays are so concerned about Chick-fil-A then I assume you’ll stop buying oils and gas imported from the Middle East seeing as how they execute gays over there right?

    • Jamie McGonnigal October 13, 2013 at 9:24 am #

      Buying something that is imported from a country where some of it’s people are hateful is quite different from buying something from a company that gives it’s money directory to groups that fight against my rights here in America. You do understand the difference, right?

      • John June 17, 2014 at 10:15 am #

        Wow, only your opinion is valid? You have every legal “right” that other humans have, yet you want to destroy “privileges” that you do not agree with.

        Hypocrisy with a capital H!!!!!!

      • Jamie McGonnigal June 17, 2014 at 10:33 am #

        My agenda? You mean the one that says I want to be treated the same way as you under federal law? Not much of an agenda if you ask me. And I have every legal right other humans have? Really? Like the right to not get fired from my job if someone at work discovers I’m gay? How about the right to marry the person I love? Or perhaps the right to not get kicked out of my home because of who I love? What privileges am I trying to destroy?

  28. Stephanie Ayanna Costa September 18, 2013 at 11:06 pm #

    Well I can say I had a bad experience at CFA today, and after reading more about these orgainzations they have funded and realizing my money help fund those has made me rethink and change my decision for spending money than and I have chose not to support them anymore. They keep priding themselves on customer service and that’s bs because how can you be an organization who have all people frequent your chain and than speak openly about your hatred not disagreement toward these particuliar groups. As a black women if the organization was open about not like people of color I would not support these morons and hate mongers and as a person who supports equal rights I will not support them. Maybe in turn the bad experience helped me researced their bs.

  29. mcguilliduy June 17, 2014 at 9:40 am #

    So if if we dont agree with your agenda, we are bigots? Doesn’t that same logic make you a bigot? Stop the schreeching…

    • Jamie McGonnigal June 17, 2014 at 10:35 am #

      Nope. If you think you deserve rights that I don’t deserve, then you’re a bigot. The only agenda here is to live equally under federal law and to perhaps not get executed in other countries for who we love. Doesn’t seem like all that radical an agenda as far as I’m concerned, but thanks for your comment.

  30. Josh June 18, 2014 at 11:12 am #

    1. Your numbers don’t match up. At the beginning you said $1.7 million and at the end you said $3 million. If you were using different time parameters, you failed to specify or give any evidence.
    2. I work at a mall with a CFA in the food court. I know for a fact that one of their employees is a homosexual and many of the regular customers are gay and have developed personal friendships with some of the employees over the years. If that’s not treating people with equality, I don’t know what is.

    • Jamie McGonnigal June 24, 2014 at 9:38 pm #

      1. The $1.7 million number was from 2009 alone. You would have caught that if you’d actually read the complete sentence. It’s been over $3 million SINCE 2009.

      2. You can be as friendly as you want with someone, but when the company is GIVING MONEY TO GROUPS THAT ARE FIGHTING TO HAVE GAY PEOPLE EXECUTED IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES, that’s not a terribly friendly thing to do, now is it?

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